DRAFT_Mussi_XI2024

olivia.beauprez@univ-catholille.frMeghann.Marsotto@univ-catholille.frm.saintgeorges@univ-catholille.fr

A desintermediação do saber através do podcast Histoires de psy

“A quem falamos sobre nossa intimidade, dificuldades, violência, vergonha, sonhos? Todos nós já nos perguntamos: "E se eu procurasse um psicólogo? Deveria falar sobre isso com um psicólogo? Mas então, qual psicólogo procurar?" No entanto, e quando se trata dos próprios psicólogos? Todos nós já ouvimos amigos, colegas ou familiares… mas será que ser psicólogo é algo que se aprende? Histórias de Psicólogos (Histoires de psy) é um podcast de troca entre os psicólogos e você, e entre você e os psicólogos." (Fragmento sonoro 1_Histoires de psy)

- The podcast was launched in October 2022

Gênese do projeto

Histoires de psy (lê-se ‘histoar’ de psy) é um podcast que se dirige tanto a clínicos, praticantes e acadêmicos quanto ao grande público. Sua originalidade reside em dar voz àqueles que raramentesão ouvidos, e que estão mais acostumados a escutar os outros: ou seja, aqueles que chamamos no linguajar cotidiano de "os psicólogos"!

Gênese do projeto

Neste contexto, que também se insere numa universidade de massa (Albero, 2011), o podcast é uma ferramenta interessante de abordagem. Ele permite alcançar certas sensibilidades que poderiam ser menos receptivas a formatos educativos, mais tradicionais e mais “verticalizados".

"Tenho certeza de que não se pode ser psicólogo sem estar comprometido. Não se pode trabalhar nas cicatrizes de outra pessoa sem antes trabalhar nas próprias. Hoje, parece-me necessário lembrar que o paciente é um sujeito que fala a alguém que acredita no preceito de que é possível que ele seja ouvido." (Fragmento sonoro 2_Histoires de psy)

The Histoires de psy podcast as an object of study and transmission

Gênese do projeto (suite & fin)

A questão que nos motiva neste processo de transmissão é refletir sobre como o podcast pode ser, ou já é, um meio de ensino. O que da clínica e de uma história pessoal é transmitido em uma aula sobre a clínica?

Mais do que buscar se tornar uma "ferramenta técnica" de aprendizado ou, pior ainda, visar a uma vulgarização do conhecimento, o objetivo da criação deste podcast é sustentar um saber que permanece sempre em suspenso. Ou sejae, apoiar e compartilhar histórias que remetem a cada um e a cada uma, um "suposto saber", pois afinal "O que o analista deve saber? Ignorar o que sabe" (Lacan, 1966)

Engajamento e transmissão

Engajamento com a disciplina e o lugar da psicanálise

Por meio do ensino, da pesquisa, do podcast ou de qualquer outra invenção que permita reinventar a propagação de discursos éticos. Existe de fato uma transmissão que pode deixar marcas e, quando se tem esperança nisso, o ímpeto persiste !

Engajamento e transmissão

Engajamento com o ensino

"Aquele que pratica a psicanálise tem a incrível sorte de ser ensinado diariamente por aqueles que confiam o suficiente nele para o transformar no eixo principal de suas vidas, e de se beneficiar dos recursos dos ensinamentos acumulados pelos psicanalistas. Transmitir é uma forma de pagar essa dívida." Sauret M.-J. (2021)

Le podcast Histoires de psy as 'Interconnected narratives'

Here you can include a relevant fact to highlight

Here you can include a relevant fact to highlight

A desintermediação do saber

- O crescimento contínuo do podcast reafirmado entre replays e a criação de uma escrita sonora própria. O conteúdo sob demanda para nichos de mercado, e um ambiente privilegiado para estudantes aos quais se destina essa forma de pedagogia. - No coração de Histoires de Psy, está a desintermediação dos saberes transmitidos por meio deste podcast. O ambiente digital permite um uso do som totalmente desintermediado. - A transmissão do saber tem como única vocação ser um transmissor das histórias de psicólogos.

Here you can include a relevant fact to highlight

Here you can include a relevant fact to highlight

+ info

Usages et plateformisation (Instagram)

Do you need more reasons to create dynamic content? No problem! 90% of the information we assimilate reaches us via sight and, what’s more, we retain 42% more information when the content moves.

Here you can include a relevant fact to highlight

Here you can include a relevant fact to highlight

Podcast e professores-pesquisadores

- Para começar, o desejo de experimentar uma nova forma de escrita deve vir da própria pessoa que cria. Aliás, essa é uma das suas motivações: devolver o caráter "coral" aos seus trabalhos. - Apenas uma em cada quatro pessoas declara ter recebido algum apoio interno de sua instituição, e uma em cada seis teve uma formação financiada pelo seu empregador. A prática, portanto, é marcada pela autodidaxia e pela improvisação. - O uso do podcast ou do formato sonoro levanta, especialmente, a questão do lugar dessas práticas no ensino superior e na pesquisa.

Conclusão

Pistas como conclusão

• A serialidade na escrita de podcasts, explorada em nossa pesquisa sobre “Histoires de psy”
• Os desdobramentos da experiência pedagógica
• Quais perspectivas?

Albero, B. (2011). Le couplage entre pédagogie et technologies à l’université : cultures d’action et paradigmes de recherche. Revue internationale des technologies en pédagogie universitaire / International Journal of Technologies in Higher Education, 8 (1-2), pp.11-21. Anderson, C. (2016). Free! Comment marche l’économie du gratuit, Paris, édition Clés des Champs Flammarion. Baujard, C. (2022). Validation des acquis buissonniers : vers une meilleure reconnaissance par l’institution éducative de l’expérience des professionnels, des étudiants et des élèves (dir.) Bensaude-Vincent, B. (2010). Splendeur et decadence de la vulgarisation scientifique. Questions de communication, 17. http://journals.openedition.org/uqestionsdecommunication/368 Cohen, E. (2019). “Podcasting: From Replay to Creation of Audio Podcasts”, In Sociétés, Représentations 48, n°2 (2019), pp.159-167 Crosse, M. (2021). Analyse compréhensive du processus de transformation des pratiques pédagogiques dans l'enseignement supérieur : repères pour un accompagnement des enseignants au changement (Doctoral dissertation, Université Michel de Montaigne-Bordeaux III). Cyrot, P., & Jeunesse, C. (2012). Autoformation et réseaux virtuels. Distances et médiations des savoirs, 1(1). De Lièvre, B. et Temperman, G. (2009). Développement et usage intégré des podcasts pour l’apprentissage. Distances et savoirs, 7, 179-190 Di Sciullo, F., Lesaunier, M-E & Mercier, A. (2022). « L’irrésistible essor des podcasts d’information», theconversation.com, 10 novembre 2022. Fily, A. (2018). « La conception des podcasts natifs : entre contraintes techniques et nouvel imaginaire médiatique », Effeuillage, n°7 Gaffiot, F. (1934). Dictionnaire Latin-Français, Paris, Hachette. Glevarec, H. (2014). « Le propre de la radio. Fonctions radiophoniques et nouveau statut de la radio dans l’environnement numérique », Le Temps des médias, n°22 Gobeil-Proulx, J. (2019). La perspective étudiante sur la formation comodale, ou hybride flexible. Revue internationale des technologies en pédagogie universitaire, 16(1), pp.56-67. Gori, R. (1995). « La psychanalyse en tant que science ? », Cliniques méditerranéennes, 45/46, pp.23-32, Paris, Érès. Jacquot, T., & Hoffmann, S. (2021). Vers un monde digitalisé de la formation ? Apports de dispositifs diversifiés et exigences d’utilisation. Projectics/Proyéctica/Projectique, 29(2), pp.39-60. Lacan, J. (1962-1963). Séminaire X. L'angoisse, Paris, Le Seuil, 2004. Lacan, J. (1966). « Variantes de la cure-type », In Écrits, pp. 323-362, Paris, Le Seuil, 1966. Oury, J. (1980). Onze heures du soir à la Borde, Paris, Editions Galilée. Oury, J. & Faugeras, P. (2013). Préalables à toute clinique des psychoses, Toulouse, Érès. Porge, E. (2005). Transmettre la clinique psychanalytique, Toulouse, Érès. Rossignol-Brunet, M., Frouillou, L., Couto, M.-P. & Bugeja-Bloch, F. (2022). Ce que masquent les « nouveaux publics étudiants » : les enjeux de la troisième massification de l’enseignement supérieur français. Lien social et Politiques, (89), pp.57–82. Sauret, M-J, (2021). La révolution a eu lieu…, Orange, Edition Le Retrait. Schneider, M. (1995). « Archéologie des actes de connaissance », Cliniques méditerranéennes, 45/46, pp.43-53, 1995, Paris, Érès. Sonnac, N., (2013). L’écosystème des médias. Communication, 32(2), 50-73.

Bibliographie

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Let the communication flow!

With Genially templates, you can include visual resources to wow your audience. You can also highlight a particular sentence or piece of information so that it sticks in your audience’s minds, or even embed external content to surprise them: Whatever you like! Do you need more reasons to create dynamic content? No problem! 90% of the information we assimilate is received through sight and, what’s more, we retain 42% more information when the content moves.

• Generate experiences with your content.
• It’s got the Wow effect. Very Wow.
• Make sure your audience remembers the message.

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Let the communication flow!

With Genially templates, you can include visual resources to wow your audience. You can also highlight a particular sentence or piece of information so that it sticks in your audience’s minds, or even embed external content to surprise them: Whatever you like! Do you need more reasons to create dynamic content? No problem! 90% of the information we assimilate is received through sight and, what’s more, we retain 42% more information when the content moves.

• Generate experiences with your content.
• It’s got the Wow effect. Very Wow.
• Make sure your audience remembers the message.

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Let the communication flow!

With Genially templates, you can include visual resources to wow your audience. You can also highlight a particular sentence or piece of information so that it sticks in your audience’s minds, or even embed external content to surprise them: Whatever you like! Do you need more reasons to create dynamic content? No problem! 90% of the information we assimilate is received through sight and, what’s more, we retain 42% more information when the content moves.

• Generate experiences with your content.
• It’s got the Wow effect. Very Wow.
• Make sure your audience remembers the message.

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Let the communication flow!

With Genially templates, you can include visual resources to wow your audience. You can also highlight a particular sentence or piece of information so that it sticks in your audience’s minds, or even embed external content to surprise them: Whatever you like! Do you need more reasons to create dynamic content? No problem! 90% of the information we assimilate is received through sight and, what’s more, we retain 42% more information when the content moves.

• Generate experiences with your content.
• It’s got the Wow effect. Very Wow.
• Make sure your audience remembers the message.

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Use this space to add awesome interactivity. Include text, images, videos, tables, PDFs... even interactive questions! Premium tip: Get information on how your audience interacts with your creation:

• Visit the Analytics settings;
• Activate user tracking;
• Let the communication flow!

Got an idea?

Let the communication flow!

With Genially templates, you can include visual resources to wow your audience. You can also highlight a particular sentence or piece of information so that it sticks in your audience’s minds, or even embed external content to surprise them: Whatever you like! Do you need more reasons to create dynamic content? No problem! 90% of the information we assimilate is received through sight and, what’s more, we retain 42% more information when the content moves.

• Generate experiences with your content.
• It’s got the Wow effect. Very Wow.
• Make sure your audience remembers the message.